The Marilyn Page

We are reproducing here the article that originally appeared in the Jewish Chronicle Blogs section on April 14th:  

No Credit for desecrating G-d’s Name 

         by  Marilyn Schimmel

Marilyn was ‘kicked out’ of the JC Blogs for daring to mention JCWatch. Here we saw the childish, selfish and extremely un-British behaviour of the JC Blogs’ so-called child moderator, jessica elgot.  We add ‘un-British’  to the other epithets the elgot has earned so far, because by British standards, some things are just not done, are ‘not cricket’. Removing the writer of an article from a blog but leaving the article and allowing others to criticize it without opportunity for response by the author – this is dirty. This is elgot. This is also, apparently, the fruit of a Leeds education – and we use the word ‘education’ loosely. 

What was additionally dirty in elgot‘s behaviour, was that she left standing two comments that mentioned JCWatch in a negative way. It didn’t help her: the incident gave JCWatch one of its highest viewer-ratings for some time!

Pollard, the JC Editor, obviously regards the JC Blogs as the least important component of his empire, and therefore leaves them to an immature junior writer to run.  

Most of the comments received on Marilyn’s article were of no consequence, but two remarks by Dleigh-Ellis require replies. Marilyn and I have discussed this, and she agrees that I will reply here.  

 Dleigh-Ellis as he appears in the JC Blogs section, reminds me of those two old codgers – Waldorf and Statler – who sat in a box on The Muppet Show and made snide comments about the various goings-on, never themselves contributing anything of substance. And that is certainly what Dleigh-Ellis has done here. So we’ll now let Marilyn have the floor, and then we’ll bring on DLE’s comments, followed by our replies.   

No Credit for desecrating G-d’s Name  

        by  Marilyn Schimmel  

There is a saying of our Sages that there is no credit for desecration of G-d’s name, meaning that for one who does so, retribution is swift if not immediate – as opposed to ‘credit’, where accounts accumulate and are repaid at a future date. 

It is amazing to see how this adage would appear to have been applied to those chiefly responsible for the destruction of Gush Katif and subsequent withdrawal from Gaza a few years ago, in which 21 settlements were razed to the ground, 8,000-10,000 settlers were made homeless (most still living in temporary ‘ersatz’ accommodations), their lives ruined, and their land given over to the Hamas terrorists. This paved the way to the incessant shelling of Sderot and surrounding villages, resulting in the IDF’s ‘Operation Cast Lead’ in and around Gaza, from which one Goldstein found full-time occupation for a number of months, his report doing little to enhance Israel’s image in the world. 

Let’s see who were those chiefly responsible for this: 

Moshe Katzav – President of the State of Israel
Ariel Sharon – Prime Minister
Ehud Olmert – Deputy PM
Haim Ramon – Deputy PM
Dan Halutz – IDF Chief of Staff
Mosha Karadi – Chief of Police 

Some of those familiar with Israeli politics can already sense where I am going with this. 

Moshe Katzav was President of the State of Israel at the time of the destruction of Gush Katif. He was subsequently forced to resign the Presidency in disgrace following accusations of sexual harassment. He is currently standing trial for these alleged offences, and may end up serving a prison term. 

Katzav’s involvement in invoking retribution was (1) his not speaking up against the destruction and (2) on the first day of the destruction he appeared on TV beside Ariel Sharon, to give his active support to what Sharon was doing. 

Ariel Sharon was Prime Minister at the time of the destruction of Gush Katif. Many years earlier, when Moshe Arens resigned from the position of Minister of Defense because he refused to destroy the town Yamit, Ariel Sharon took over from him – and razed Yamit to the ground. As Prime Minister many years later, the destruction of Gush Katif was his idea and his responsibility entirely. He suffered two strokes soon after the destruction and subsequent Gaza withdrawal and has been in a coma for a number of years. Neither the ground nor the Devil will receive him. This seems apt for a man who has enormous credits to his name in the building of the State of Israel. In the Six Day War he was one of the leading Generals in Sinai; he altered the course of the Yom Kippur War by crossing the Suez canal and moving the war to enemy territory; he did much to develop the Judean/Samarian (Western Bank) settlements; as Minister of Housing at the time of massive immigration from Russia, he ensured that every single immigrant found a roof over his head. He has many other credits to his name as well. 

But the destruction of Gush Katif ways heavily over all these achievements – and Sharon lies in the balance: neither dead nor alive. 

Ehud Olmert was Deputy Prime Minister at the time of the destruction of Gush Katif. Replacing Ariel Sharon as Prime Minister, he was subsequently forced to resign due to allegations of bribery and corruption, for which he is currently standing trial. Only recently a new bribery scandal (‘Holyland’ – what a misnomer!) broke in which he is hinted at being one off the major ‘recipients’. 

Haim Ramon was Deputy Prime Minister at the time of the destruction of Gush Katif. He later became Minister of Justice, and was subsequently forced to resign in disgrace following one accusation of sexual harassment. He was tried, found guilty, and sentenced to a few months labour at a horse stable. His trial and verdict were in fact seen to be the result of political machinations within the judicial system – he had made proposals for alterations in Israeli Law that were unacceptable to the heads of said system, and this was the way to ‘remove’ him. But the disgrace was well-earned. 

Lieutenant-General Dan Halutz was the IDF Chief of Staff at the time of the destruction of Gush Katif. It was he who allocated many months of the IDF’s valuable resources on planning the destruction of Gush Katif and evacuation from Gaza. 20,000 soldiers and police were assigned to the ‘project’. It had been assumed by some that Halutz, formerly commander of the Air Force, had been selected by Sharon as Chief of Staff because Sharon was planning an offensive designed to thwart Iranian nuclear plans, and that obviously the Israeli Air Force would be one of the main components in such a project. 

Halutz before his appointment as Chief of Staff, was regarded as extremely right-wing, following a number of comments he had made publicly. So right-wing, that when said appointment was announced someone from the Left petitioned the High Court of Appeals in an attempt to invalidate the appointment. The petition was rejected. 

Not long after the destruction of Gush Katif the IDF – led by Halutz – conducted the 2nd Lebanon War. The execution was a failure – although it did in fact subdue Hizbollah – forcing Halutz to resign his position as Chief of Staff. Incidentally, Halutz remains recalcitrant regarding the manner in which he conducted the war. At a recent conference he said “If I had to repeat it, I would have done the same things again”. He was immediately followed at that conference by Major-General Moshe Kaplinski – Halutz’s Deputy Chief of Staff at the time of the War – who listed a number of errors that had been made during the war. 

Moshe Karadi, Chief of Police at the time of the destruction of Gush Katif, resigned after dubious involvement in criminal activity. A committee appointed to examine the matter reached a majority decision that Karadi should not be asked to resign, but that he should not be offered the customary 4th year extension of his appointment. He resigned after the decision was announced. 

It should be noted that Judaism has specific laws relating to the subject of Gush Katif. Maimonedes discusses the law of the Idolatrous City, which applies only in the Land of Israel. Such a city, under certain conditions of extreme idol-worship by a majority of inhabitants, is razed to the ground. BUT, if a city lies on one of Israel’s borders, it cannot be destroyed, and one cannot destroy three adjacent idolatrous cities, so as not to create a “bald patch” within the Land of Israel. So theoretically, even if the majority of the Gush Katif residents had been idol-worshippers, it would have been forbidden to destroy their villages. In fact, quite the opposite was true: in preparation for the destruction the Police Station at Neveh Dekalim – one of the larger settlements – was closed, and it was announced that NO criminal events had ever been recorded at that station. How many other villages can make the same claim? 

 In the world in which we live today, we usually cannot point our fingers at what would appear to be Divine Retribution and state decisively “G-d punished him for that”. But sometimes the Law of Cause and Effect seems to be so blatantly active, that correlation of events, facts and conclusions just cannot be ignored. 

[end of the article] 

Added January 2011:

Yet Another Participant in the Destruction of Gush Katif – Punished!

Some time back we published an article by Marilyn Schimmel titled “No Credit for desecrating G-d’s Name”, wherein she pointed out that six senior Israelis responsible for the destruction of Gush Katif  – from the fields of Politics, Army and Police – had so far suffered health or career setbacks. Divine punishment, wrote Marilyn, had to be taken into account.

https://jcwatch.wordpress.com/articles/the-marilyn-page/

Since then two more have been added to the list:

Uri Bar Lev was the Police commander of the southern area of Israel, and as such was responsible for all police activity enforcing the destruction of Gush Katif. He was recently a serious contender for the title of Chief of Police, but was eliminated from running when his involvement in extra-marital activity became public knowledge.

Now, Major-General Yoav Galant, who had already been selected to serve as the IDF’s next Chief of Staff, will in all probability be passed over since the Government Comptroller/Ombudsman has determined that Galant submitted to a court a document containing his signature, which contained untrue statements. Or as Maariv headlined in “Second Coming” screaming capital letters “He Lied!”

Galant was Arik Sharon’s miltary secretary during the years 2002-2005, during which time the destruction of Gush Katif in 2005 was perpetrated. He is said to have been very actively involved in the detailed planning of the destruction.

So up till now, eight(!) of the senior politicians, military and police responsible for the destruction of Gush Katif, have each  suffered in one way or another; apart from Sharon, each in some kind of disgrace.

You still think this is coincidence?

[end January 2011 addition]

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DLeigh-Ellis  18 April, 2010 – 17:15
Btw Marilyn, I don’t see how you can claim to have greater ‘judaic authority’ than any other Jew here….
 

DLeigh-Ellis  18 April, 2010 – 17:12
Hey Marilyn,
you talk a lot about ‘divine retribution’ and ‘desecrating g-ds name,’ yet you seem to be unaware that according to the same sages you cite, it is also unlawful to use religious ideology to weave hatred… Given the recent slogans painted by settlers on mosques as well as their treatment of surrounding Muslim populations based on their religious persuasion, it is crystal clear that many of these so called ‘settlers’ have chosen to weave xenophobia into their spiritual worldview. This according to Jewish law is unacceptable, and you have limited grounds for suggesting that removal of a few of the many settlements could be perceived in any way as ‘desecration of G-ds name.’
 

 JCWatch replies: 

[quote]
“ I don’t see how you can claim to have greater ‘judaic authority’ than any other Jew here….”
[unquote] 

Both here and in the 2nd post DLE sets up scarecrows in order to knock them down. Nowhere in the article did Marilyn lay any claim to Judaic authority. The article was a collation of facts, from which the reader was invited to draw his own conclusions, Marilyn suggesting one possibility that lies well within the range of orthodox Jewish philosophy. 

DLE – have you read Rabbi Soloveitchik’s article ‘Kol Dodi Dofek’ in which he points out six historical facts and concludes that they all point to the establishment of the State of Israel? Quite frankly, I’d like to know exactly what Jewish subjects you studied at York University, and what in general is the extent of your Jewish education (we know that elgot’s approaches zero from the minus direction). I can’t help being curious as to the extent of your Jewish education. Can you read – and understand – Rashi script; can you name the sections of the Shulchan Aruch? 

I have a few other rabbinical precedents for drawing conclusions from the study of history, Marilyn was aware of them when she wrote her article, but you would require a few years of Yeshiva education to understand them. Having invested the time at your disposal in York University, I doubt that you’d qualify. 

(If I remember correctly, York’s only connection to Judaism was a massacre of Jews in 1190 …) 

 [quote]
“you talk a lot about ‘divine retribution’ and ‘desecrating g-ds name,’”
[unquote] 

“Talk a lot”? This was an article dedicated to that very  subject. And only 2 sentences in the entire article openly referred to Divine Retribution. WHAT exactly is your problem here? 

  [quote]
yet you seem to be unaware that according to the same sages you cite, it is also unlawful to use religious ideology to weave hatred… Given the recent slogans painted by settlers on mosques as well as their treatment of surrounding Muslim populations based on their religious persuasion, it is crystal clear that many of these so called ‘settlers’ have chosen to weave xenophobia into their spiritual worldview
[unquote] 

The above must be the mother of all non-sequiturs! What have the settlers you mentioned got to do with the subject discussed in any way at all? And even if you try to claim a “gzera shava” (don’t bother) between the Gush Katif settlers and those you dragged in here, you would just be displaying your total ignorance of the differences between the two groups. Total differences.  No violence of settlers was ever reported in the Katif area – and this was stated in the article. What you are doing is assigning “guilt by association” via the mutual name settlers. Apart from anything else, this is dishonest. 

 But that is what can be expected from an arm-chair critic, sitting in a York pub and “analyzing” the religious and political situations in Israel … Ladies and Gentlemen, it’s The Muppet Show! 

I’d go one step further, and say that from the way you rant and rave about the settlers you dragged in, you were obviously looking for an excuse to do so, and just used JCWatch as the means for this. In simple English, that makes you a … cuckoo! … someone who steals someone else’s nest to lay his eggs. 

What you have done here is no different from moshezarfati2 dragging his homosexual friends into the argument as he did; you have merely replaced homosexuals with extreme leftists (unless they are both),   

[quote]
and you have limited grounds for suggesting that removal of a few of the many settlements could be perceived in any way as ‘desecration of G-ds name.’
[unquote] 

 You very, very obviously didn’t understand what you read. Marilyn quoted Maimonedes specifically on this subject. Either bring a counter-source to refute him or stop waffling. 

JCWatch
https://jcwatch.wordpress.com
Avraham Reiss – Jerusalem
Iyar 5770    –    April 10
thejcwatch@gmail.com

 

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